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Crissa wrote:Strangely, the Tea-Partiers never actually had a platform.

Good point (well you could argue that they had a platform; spending is bad; debt is bad; but it's barely a plank much less a platform). The 912 movement has a more like platform like thing (or should I say a better collection of planks).

Then again, neither did the anti Iraq war movement. That never stoped the press from having joygasms whenever Cindy Sheehan did anything with her anti-war campaign. (Of course once the divine progressive messiah was elected the progressive Joan the baptist was quickly ignored. News outlets totally missed the fact she was arrested last October.)

On October 5 Sheehan was arrested with sixty others at the White House protesting President Obama's continuation of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. She told CNN: "I think the mood of the country and the mood of our movement is getting a little bit more desperate, and (that) this will be the time to be able to translate our tireless activism and work for peace."

tzor wrote:

Kaelik wrote:But does Tzor actually try to oppose those people? Of course not, he votes for them.

Creationism doesn't come up at all in New York, and if it did you would be laughed off of the stage. This is our local town's Republican Platform which gave us a 100% Republican town board this year. Note there is no mention whatsoever of creationism.

So you don't vote in National Elections? Or did you vote for former President George H W Bush? How about Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin?

Do you really think these people didn't/don't lend whatever support they can to bullshit creation movements? The former president came right out and fucking said he thought the "jury is out" which is fucking retarded and anti science.

Most Republicans that I know of will insist that it is the School Board not the Government that should make decisions as to what should be taught in local schools.

You are fucking retarded. 1) The school board is a branch of the fucking government. 2) It's the fucking school board where dumb shit elections are held and dumb shit referendums are held and dumb shit people try so fucking hard to get dumb shit creationism taught in schools.

You might notice if you pulled your head out of your ass, those dumb shits are all 100% Republican.

Kaelik wrote:So you don't vote in National Elections?

My congressman and senators are both Democrats. Fuck I even had Clinton. Did you see the dumb shit they put against her? At least he was better than the one that ran in the primary who thought that Clinton was using black helicopters to spy on her in the Hamptons.

Kaelik wrote:Or did you vote for former President George H W Bush? How about Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin?

I don't recall George HW Bush ever trying to push creationism in the schools. What he believed on his off time is of no concern to me.

Kaelik wrote:The school board is a branch of the fucking government.

Well then what branch of the fucking government is it?
The town? No it's not.
The country? Wrong again.
The state? No way.
The federal government? Again wrong.
The United Nations? Get out of my mind you fucking progressive.

You want to know something? Where I live we have elections for the fire commisioner of the local volunteer fire department. No it's not a branch of goverment either. You want to know something else? I get these things where I have to vote all the time; for every fucking stock I own. Are all public companies a branch of government? You are fucking sick.

P.S. I don't know if it is common where you live, but where I live political parties won't touch school board elections with a 10' pole. I should know, I'm on the local Riverhead Republican Committee.

When the people are morons, all aspects of the community becomes moronic. Blame democracy, not government.

Thank you for proving you are fucking retarded on so many levels.

tzor wrote:My congressman and senators are both Democrats. Fuck I even had Clinton. Did you see the dumb shit they put against her? At least he was better than the one that ran in the primary who thought that Clinton was using black helicopters to spy on her in the Hamptons.

I didn't ask if your national representatives are idiots. I asked if you voted for Republicans in National elections. You also live in upstate new York, so chances are good you have a Republican representative. Chances are not that bad that he's a fucking anti science dick. Chances are 100% that he doesn't stand up to his anti science dick party mates in the House.

tzor wrote:I don't recall George HW Bush ever trying to push creationism in the schools. What he believed on his off time is of no concern to me.

So 1) You refuse to answer on Palin, because of course you did vote for her, because you vote for anti science fucktards and enjoy doing so.

2) You don't remember it, but both he and his son made public comments regarding their opinions and their opinions on what direction the state governments and state republicans should go in.

That's not "his own time" that's "President of the United States taking advantage of informal powers to influence policy decisions."

tzor wrote:

Kaelik wrote:The school board is a branch of the fucking government.

Well then what branch of the fucking government is it?
The town? No it's not.
The country? Wrong again.
The state? No way.
The federal government? Again wrong.
The United Nations? Get out of my mind you fucking progressive.

You want to know something? Where I live we have elections for the fire commisioner of the local volunteer fire department. No it's not a branch of goverment either. You want to know something else? I get these things where I have to vote all the time; for every fucking stock I own. Are all public companies a branch of government? You are fucking sick.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Someone who is not retarded. Unlike Tzor. wrote:Public schools in the United States are administered mainly at the state level. Most states employ a three-tiered model of government that parallels the general governmental model of state/county/township. There is usually a state superintendent of schools, who is elected to coordinate the state department of education, the state board of education, and the state legislature itself. Statewide education policies are disseminated to school "districts" or their equivalents. These are associated with counties, or with groups of counties; but their boundaries are not necessarily coterminous with county boundaries. These intermediate school district comprise many local (city- or township-level) school districts.

Nevermind that you are too stupid to know that by definition counties and towns are just subsidiaries of the state, you actually fucking think that school districts are not the government? You think that those people who get together to distribute state funding collected by state mandated taxes in compliance with state laws after being elected in state elections are not part of the state government?

Tzor. If you hadn't already demonstrated yourself to be the stupidest fucking person on earth bar none, this would really push you over the top.

tzor wrote:I don't recall George HW Bush ever trying to push creationism in the schools...

... aside from the time that GWB publicly opined that we should be teaching creationism in our schools alongside the theory of evolution, which is a completely fucking retarded suggestion for the leader of the free world to be making.

tzor wrote:

Ganbare Gincun wrote:Given the fact that 60% of Republicans believe in Creationism, ...

Given the fact that 38% of Democrats believe in Creationism ...

So fucking what? The fact that a minority of Democrats believe in Creationism doesn't change the fact that the majority of the Republican Party believe in Creationism. Unfortunately, this 60% of Republican Voters has a disproportionate amount of control over their Party, which means that the Republican Party is ultimately run by crazy religious fundamentalists.

tzor wrote:It also doesn't tell us about which percentages of those who do believe in Creationism would impose it in public schools over that of evolution.

Every state that is currently pushing Creationism in public schools is a Red State. Attempts that have been made to do so in Blue States have failed. Sounds like a Republican problem to me.

What percentage of Republican candidates for President believed evolution is a compelling theory explaining development of life as we know it?

0%.

What percentage of Republican committee leaders believe catastrophic climate change, anthropogenic global warming, or evolution are compelling theories explaining the world around us?

0%.

So what if some minority do accept evolution? They're not voting to increase education funding without tacking on stupid creationist shit.

Admittedly, the minority of democrats that do go along with the republicans. But they're still a minority, even when you add the two camps together.

-Crissa

Tzor wrote:I don't recall George HW Bush ever trying to push creationism in the schools.

Straight from the Republican playbook. Ronald Reagan did not recall shipping weapons to the Ayatollah of Iran. Gonzales did not recall firing federal attorneys for political reasons. Cheney did not recall exposing the identities of our own field operatives for petty revenge. And now Tzor cannot recall the support for creation research explicitly given by a Republican President that he explicitly endorsed. Well, this is the damn internet, and we can recall these facts for you:

George H W Bush, 1988 wrote:I'm not a scientist, but it seems to me that the Bible has an abundance of clues and evidence to help archeologists, astronomers and other scientists in their endless quest for knowledge. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Biblical account of creation and the scientific evidence of the origins of the universe will yet find common ground.

The Institute for Creation Research cites George H W Bush as being supportive of them. Seriously, that's the crowd that Tzor is endorsing, has endorsed, and wll continue to endorse long after this discussion is over.

-Username17

I honestly can't hold that against George HW Bush because in the United States the religious right has pretty much equated evolution with atheism--and atheists are hated more than any other non-criminal minority in that country. If he or any President (including Obama) for that matter said anything that unambiguously pointed towards the Bible being a pile of, well, outright fabrication then they would've had his head.

If I was the Prez would I constantly verbally fellate the religious right to avoid hearing whining from those insecure, cultist twits as long as I otherwise acted in a pro-science manner? Well, yes, I would.